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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 7, 2011 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Top Tens?

Well it's that time of the year. I've updated my top-ten lists (just a few changes). I know some folks (rob) are not jazzed by quantitative analysis of Grateful performances, while others are (strat).

I think it's fun comparing our lists and I would love to see yours. Please feel free to share your top-tens for any year(s)...


02/25/66 (100) actual date is 3/12/66
03/25/66 (97-98)
05/19/66 (95)
07/16/66 (99)
07/29/66 (91)
07/30/66 (93)
09/16/66 (95+)
11/19/66 (97)
11/29/66 (93)
12/01/66 (94)

03/18/67 (97)
05/05/67 (96) misdated
06/18/67 (96-97)
08/04/67 (95)
08/05/67 (95)
09/03/67 (97)
09/04/67 (90)
10/22/67 (97)
11/10/67 (98)
11/11/67 (97+)

01/20/68 (100)
01/22/68 (99) misdated?
01/23/68 (98) misdated?
02/02/68 (100)
02/03/68 (98)
02/14/68 (100)
03/17/68 (98+)
06/14/68 (99)
08/24/68 (99-100)
10/12/68 (100)

01/26/69 (99)
02/07/69 (98)
02/27/69 (99+)
02/28/69 (100)
03/01/69 (100)
04/06/69 (98-99)
04/21/69 (100)
05/23/69 (99)
11/08/69 (100)
12/30/69 (100)
honerable mention
06/27/69 (97)

02/11/70 (100)
02/13/70 (100)
02/14/70 (100)
03/21/70 (98-99)
05/01/70 (99)
05/02/70 (100)
06/24/70 (100)
09/19/70 (99+)
09/20/70 (100)
11/08/70 (100)

02/18/71 (100)
04/28/71 (100)
04/29/71 (100)
07/02/71 (100)
08/06/71 (99+)
10/31/71 (100)
11/07/71 (99-100)
11/14/71 (99)
11/15/71 (99)
12/05/71 (100)

03/25/72 (97)
04/08/72 (99+)
04/14/72 (100)
04/24/72 (99)
05/03/72 (99)
05/11/72 (100)
05/26/72 (100)
08/27/72 (100)
09/21/72 (99-100)
09/27/72 (98)

03/24/73 (100)
06/22/73 (98+)
09/11/73 (98)
10/19/73 (99)
11/10/73 (99)
11/11/73 (100)
11/14/73 (98-99)
11/30/73 (99)
12/06/73 (100)
12/18/73 (99)

02/24/74 (100)
05/19/74 (99)
06/16/74 (98-99)
06/18/74 (100)
06/20/74 (98)
06/23/74 (100)
06/26/74 (99)
06/28/74 (99)
07/19/74 (100)
09/18/74 (99+)

03/23/75 (99)
06/17/75 (98)
08/13/75 (100)
09/28/75 (99+)

06/03/76 (95)
06/09/76 (95-96)
07/14/76 (95)
07/16/76 (96+)
07/17/76 (98)
07/18/76 (97)
09/27/76 (93)
10/03/76 (95)
10/09/76 (96)
12/31/76 (97+)

02/26/77 (97)
05/08/77 (100)
05/09/77 (99+)
05/17/77 (98)
05/22/77 (99)
05/25/77 (100)
09/03/77 (97)
10/29/77 (99-100)
11/04/77 (97)
12/29/77 (98)

01/18/78 (92)
01/22/78 (92)
04/16/78 (91)
07/08/78 (95)
09/16/78 (96+)
10/21/78 (94)
10/22/78 (94)
11/20/78 (93)
11/24/78 (97)
12/31/78 (97-98)
honerable mention
11/17/78a (91) Rambler Room

01/08/79 (92)
01/10/79 (94)
01/20/79 (93)
02/17/79 (93-94)
10/27/79 (98)
10/28/79 (96)
10/31/79 (93)
11/24/79 (93+)
12/01/79 (91)
12/26/79 (92)

05/07/80 (90)
06/20/80 (89)
06/21/80 (90)
09/06/80 (91)
10/10/80 (93-94)
10/14/80 (92)
10/31/80 (95)
11/29/80 (91)
12/06/80 (95+)
12/31/80 (91)

03/09/81 (91-92)
04/25/81 (90)
05/06/81 (94)
05/16/81 (97)
05/22/81 (94+)
10/11/81 (92)
10/15/81 (93)
10/16/81 (96-97)
10/19/81 (96)
12/31/81 (93+)



This post was modified by Cliff Hucker on 2011-01-07 22:49:59

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 4, 2011 6:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

A heartfelt thank you from me, Cliff. I think I will simply work my way through your list. How could I go wrong?

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Poster: billydlions Date: Jan 4, 2011 5:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

1973: 3/24, 5/26, 6/22, 9/11, 10/19, 11/11, 11/17, 11/21, 12/6, 12/18, 12/19

1974: 5/19, 6/16, 6/18, 6/20, 6/23, 6/26, 6/28, 6/30, 7/19, 8/6, 9/18, 10/18, 10/19

1975: all + the studio sessions from 2/28

1976 6/9, 6/14, 7/18, 10/9, 10/15, 12/31

1977: 5/7, 5/8, 5/9, 5/19, 5/22, 6/9, 9/3, 10/9, 10/11, 10/29 12/29

1978: 1/22, 2/5, 4/16, 4/24, 7/8, 9/2, 11/20, 12/16, 12/28, 12/31

1979: 1/8, 1/15, 2/17, 5/8, 8/12, 10/27, 11/9, 11/30, 12/1, 12/28

1980: 5/10, 5/12, 6/12, 6/20, 8/31, 9/4, 9/6, 10/10, 10/31, 11/30, 12/13

1981: 2/26, 3/7, 3/9, 3/28, 5/1, 5/15, 5/16, 7/13, 8/28, 9/12, 9/26, 10/12, 10/19, 12/5, 12/9

1982: 4/6, 4/14, 4/19, 8/1, 8/3, 8/7, 8/10, 9/21, 10/9, 10/10

1983: 4/13, 4/26, 4/23, 9/2, 10/11, 10/12, 10/14, 10/15, 10/17, 10/31

1984: 4/14, 4/20, 4/23, 4/26, 6/30, 7/13, 10/12, 10/18, 12/31

1985: 6/27/85 (the only one I listen to repeatedly)



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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 6, 2011 2:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

Well done billydlions!

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Poster: Pig Street ! Date: Jan 4, 2011 4:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

78'
1-22
2-5
4-11
5-11 (Purple Barrel Show
9-2
10-22
11-17 Rambler Room
12-15
12-30
12-31

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jan 4, 2011 9:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

Thanks for the pics! I'm assuming the 2nd jpg is also from the Rambler Room? I'd never seen any pics from there, and that's so clear. And in color! How neat to see -- for sentimental reasons, in my case. (Wasn't at the Rambler Room, but saw them a few hours later, as well as the night before -- my first two shows. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be a full version of 11/17/78 at the Uptown available, and no full SBD of 11/16/78. Oh well, gotta stick with what I remember. Which of course is that both shows were amazing!)

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Poster: Pig Street ! Date: Jan 5, 2011 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

Yup, Here are a few more, poked around to find these , mainly from here and other sites, PS

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 9, 2011 6:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

Some great selections: 2/5 & 5/11 (vault sound quality) and 9/2 & 12/15. Reasons why I like 1978 so much more than 1979...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 4, 2011 3:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

Thanks for putting this up CH. I'm going to start at the end.

10/16/81 - I have tried, but I find this more novelty, then in the listening rotation. Is it the unique circumstance or do we differ on the execution? What songs do you like in particular? Thanks.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 4, 2011 7:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

I think 10/16/81 is an amazing and historic performance. In my opinion Europe '81 was the last great Grateful Dead tour. I give it a high score for a number of reasons including its uniqueness, terrific acoustic jamming, facinating set list, top notch Charlie Miller sound quality, best ever performance of Gloria, etc.

It's not always about execution Sean, but I think you need to re-listen to the Bird Song...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 7, 2011 4:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

I went w/Sick Bits.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-10-16.mtx.chappell.sb27.95431.flac16

Yeah. I think I need to listen to this one again.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Jan 4, 2011 10:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

Sort of tough because this is the kind of thing that can change from month to month (or even week to week).

Hearing so many new shows lately, and starting to heavily favor the early years doesn't help either. Anyways, here goes:

1968:

1/20
1/23
2/2
2/14
6/14
8/21
8/24
10/12
10/20
12/29

1969:

2/7
2/22
2/28
3/1
4/5
4/13
4/21
4/23
5/31
11/2

(HM: three way tie between 4/22, 6/7 and 12/28; there's just too many great shows this year!)

1970:

2/11
2/13
2/14
4/15
5/2
5/6
5/15
6/24
9/19
9/20

1972:

4/8
4/14
4/24
4/26
5/11
5/26
8/27
9/21
9/27
9/28

(HM: 11/17)

1973:

2/15
3/24
3/28(mostly for the 2nd set)
6/22
9/8
11/11
11/14
11/17
12/2
12/6

(HM: 2/28, 5/20)

1974:

2/24
5/19
5/25
6/16
6/18
6/26
6/28
7/19
7/31
9/18


CH, we do obviously have very similar tastes in early Dead, but specifically in 1973, your omission of 2/15 and 11/17 is surprising. Also, i don't feel 4/6/69 is nearly as strong as 4/5, but of course that's all imho...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 5, 2011 4:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

I think your list is excellent. Certainly some interesting selections for 1969, particularly 4/13 and 5/31. I'm going to load those in my ipod and see what it is about them that gets them into your ten. And while I agree that 4/5 with its extraordinary MOTM>DS might be a better performance than 4/6, I just love the bare wires intensity of 4/6. The high energy Other One suite and Violas in particular do it for me.

I agree that 2/15 and 11/17 are among the best shows of 1973, but the year is packed with excellent music and it's a rather difficult year to narrow down to ten performances. There are a few more '73 shows I score in the 98+ point range. I guess I could say the same for your omission of 06/23/74 and that's what makes comparing lists so much fun...

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Jan 5, 2011 3:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

i must admit i'm still not familiar enough with 6/23/74 to make a solid judgment of it yet. a glaring omission i realize, but i think it may just make it into my top ten soon ;)

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Poster: jmb1 Date: Jan 5, 2011 5:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

7-1-73 PITB ....man that makes any top 10 for me....

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Jan 5, 2011 3:36pm
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i totally agree...its the subjectivity of it all that makes it so interesting.

i feel 4/13/69 is one of the most under the radar and underrated shows of the year (ignore my hasty review). despite some minor sloppiness on a couple tracks and a brutal cut of the alligator jam, the playing on this show i think is remarkable, particularly during Dark Star. the pre-verses jamming (mostly driven by Garcia) has got to be some of the most creative and inspired ever! The Morning Dew, Lovelight and a jazzy version of The Eleven are also some great cuts.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 6, 2011 1:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

Well I re-listened to 4/13/69 after having not listened to the show for several years. I don't have the Miller upgrade but I do have Cotsman's remaster. I really liked the outro jam on Morning Dew as well as the high-energy Dark Star and nicely jammed Eleven.

It's a solid '69 performance but really not much more than that. I would score it in the low to mid 90's. Hard for me to understand how it makes your top-ten for 1969 when 11/8 and 12/30 don't.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Jan 6, 2011 7:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

yah i realize its pretty subjective, i don't expect you to agree with me on that one. i don't always pick favorite shows based on qualities that are the most unique or superlative necessarily...its kind of what "hits" me the hardest. i do feel after repeated listens that the playing on this show is really strong, but much of it is Garcia driven; minus the Dark Star its not as much of a "fingers of the same hand" kind of performance the way that maybe 2/28 is. but like i said its a pretty under the radar show and certainly there are other, more unique performances that many would place far ahead of it. I highly recommend listening to the Miller transfer, it sounds great!

while i do much enjoy 11/8 for its very unique jams, its always been a show that doesn't quite gel with me right, in the way that these others do. call me crazy, but i really can't put my finger on it exactly. the whole of fall '69 and a lot of 1970 certainly has a far different feel than late '68- early '69; deliberate, slower tempos, and spacier, more open jamming, which of course makes for some incredible performances (some of my favorite shows, like 11/2/69 or 2/13/70) but just doesn't quite do it for me like the fast paced, fluid jamming of earlier in the year, that "bare wires" intensity you talked about.

same goes for 12/30, though i must admit that like 6/23/74, i'm also not as familiar with that show...i've tried to get into it a few times and its been a little difficult for me. i will definitely be giving that one some more listens though, it seems to be a highly regarded performance by many...

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Jan 4, 2011 6:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?


03/09/81 (91-92)
04/25/81 (90)
05/06/81 (94)
05/16/81 (97)
05/22/81 (94+)
10/11/81 (92)
10/15/81 (93)
10/16/81 (96-97)
10/19/81 (96)
12/31/81 (93+)

Your low ratings for this year are likely on target but 40% from the fall europe tour I don't really get. Buffalo 9/26/81 is a monster show and deserves a spot, as well as Long Beach 8/28/81 and 12/5/81 from Indy is very nice. The 16th at Melk Meg deserves its own section because the whole night is twisted and wonderful and magic and yet not really the best they ever played...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 4, 2011 7:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

I was at 9/26/81 but I'm afraid I don't share your enthusiasm for that show. But this is exactly what makes sharing our lists so enjoyable. I don't expect anyone to make the same selections a I did.

I do dig the vibe of the '81 Europe shows a great deal, as well as the acoustic sets they performed in the Netherlands. The entire tour seemed to mark a rather profound change in the bands approach, albeit a somewhat brief but nonetheless sweet spot in their history.

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Jan 4, 2011 7:51pm
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Funny Cliff, I was at that show myself. Drove out from Boston, attending Berklee College that year - are you sure we didn't pick you up somewhere near Albany!! LOL! I love that show mostly because my girlfriend was so pretty that day and she danced like the wind! Ah, sweet Buffalo. Always love a second set that opens with Playing... But you might be right...

Also, I think Paris(99) is better than Veneta (100) mostly because the whole first set of Veneta basically sucks as they warm up and start to get in tune. What follows is bliss. Paris is a better and cooler venue and the set rocks from the get go. The Truckin>Other One and the Dark Star I think are a wash. Though the Dark Star reaches a meltdown unmatched, so too The Other One has a feel and sense that I have never heard duplicated. Hard to compare these two central pieces.
I would reverse these ratings myself... wow one whole point, but again it begs discussion.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jan 4, 2011 8:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

That's funny. Me, too, but drove in the other way, from Ohio! Wonder which shows had the Most Forum Attendees ...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 4, 2011 8:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

Hey AR
3-29-90?
7-14-90?

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Poster: billydlions Date: Jan 5, 2011 3:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

I was at both of those shows Micah.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jan 4, 2011 8:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

Nope, not me. Maybe other folks. I never saw anything on the true East Coast. (NYC or New England.) Isn't that sad? Oh well, the archives makes up for it!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 4, 2011 6:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

2-26-77 is the most over-rated show of the year and it garners a 97 and top 10? Clearly you have been hanging out with Sy the marriage counselor too much these days!!

Happy New Year Dennis, hope you rang it in with a nice bottle. I had a Perrier-Jouet 1999. Smelled like a bread shop at about 5 AM.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 4, 2011 7:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

Oh my, that '99 Perrier Jouet sounds fantastic Larry! Was it the Blanc de Blanc?

Never said 2/26/77 wasn't an excellent performance ;)


Happy New Year to you as well!

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jan 4, 2011 4:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

I should know by now - but just don't! - just how firm you are with this 1981 cut-off, but I also think you might find some worthy material in 1982. 4-18 and 4-19 spring to mind - the "helium-space" shows - but also the fall tour that introduced a whole slew of new material, starting with Touch of Grey. Here's a top 5, because I'm still at work and can't think of 10 quickly:

9-17-1982
9-20-1982
4-17-1982
9-21-1982
4-18-1982

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 4, 2011 8:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

I actually tried once to put together a top-ten for 1982, but alas, I was unable to get very far. I think '81 is as far as I will ever get, which is just fine. Like Harry Callahan said, "A man has to know his limitations"

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jan 4, 2011 6:02pm
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You could toss in 8/3, 8/7, 8/10, 10/9, and 10/10 ... not a true Top Ten cuz I haven't really devoted much thought to it, and I'm wondering where 7/31 fits in; would it knock out one of those others? But that's what comes to mind to add to yours ...

BTW I really appreciate seeing all these "Top Tens" from such knowledgeable folks who've really devoted a lot of time to this. I wouldn't really try, cuz it implies a lot more familiarity with every single show in each year than I've got! But it's a terrific listening guide. I don't think I've yet encountered a show in someone's Top Ten list that wasn't really, really good :-)



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Poster: wineland Date: Jan 4, 2011 10:02pm
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AR I'd have to say your suggestions for 82 would be spot on with my list. August is amazing. July 31st being the eve of Jerry's 40th bday, he was out to have some fun. And the October shows, wow.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jan 4, 2011 6:24pm
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"it implies a lot more familiarity with every single show in each year than I've got!"

Oh, too true of me, also, but that doesn't stop me from plugging my favorites!

Interesting to see the variations between lists: the other 82 list is completely different from mine, sometimes including different shows from the same week, so I obviously have got me some listening to do.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 5, 2011 5:21am
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Don't forget to add 12-29-68 & 6-7-70; CLIFF keeps leaving these out. I cannot understand HOW, just because it's "his" list, he gets to do just what "he" wants.

It's all about "him", so well...fine. We've discussed it many times.

Then, as always, he presses me about which ONE I would leave out. Well, I can count to 11. Or, I would make room by leaving out everything past 71.

It's much easier this way.

So there.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jan 5, 2011 5:44am
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So can we look forward to the WT Top Eleven, then?

You could go way past 71 if you could just say you're grading on a curve.

Pssst: He also left off 1/2/70. And 11/30/79, in case you decide to make a late New Year's resolution and listen past 71 ...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 5, 2011 6:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens? The Eleven always wins...

I am so PROUD that you caught the 1-2 show; and, I feared that "my Eleven" ref would go un-noticed (what other number would "i" use, eh?), but you got it.

So, that's why I couldn't throw in 1-2 or it'd have screwed up my little play on words, etc.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 4, 2011 3:23pm
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Cliff, I see you have 12-31-78 rated very high, which you should. What are your thoughts on pauley pavilion the night before 12-30?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 4, 2011 7:08pm
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I seem to like 1978 a hell of a lot more than '79.

12/30/78 is a fine show, nice second set, very good Charlie Miller sound quality with a few cuts/patches and an excellent Scarlet> Fire. Perhaps 92 pts...

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 5, 2011 1:31pm
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also glad to see you rate 11/20/78 pretty high. many folks would take points off for a short second set but I like the oddity of it. Been poking around 78 lately which is why I'm curious

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 7, 2011 4:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

I just realized ,trying to come up with a list, that I can't do this. I love seeing the different ways folks approach the music. I love reading the lists and comments and have a show to listen to, or ten. It seems going through CH (thanks for re-post),billyd, and CC lists that there is a common cannon, then some different opinions. I have my favs. which on are on all the lists, as I'm sure they would be on yours. Though I enjoy the quantitative analysis, I can't come up with lists. It's like doing long math word problems.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jan 9, 2011 7:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top Tens?

I'm with you Micah. There are shows I go back to often - 2/22/69 more often than others, 5/8/77 just for the Morning Dew, 5/15/70, but I just can't come up with an objective methodology and all encompassing formula that makes this anal retentive nuke happy.

So in short, if I like it, I listen to it.

That said, since 80-90 are the Lost Years for me, I appreciate the lists others have provided and I will venture in and give those a listen. If you throw enough spaghetti at the wall, something's gotta stick?